April 7, 2019

Sunday School 4/7/19

Today's classroom adventure comes from CBS and Face the Nation, with Margaret Brennan talking with the president's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. Let's see how it went.

On whether Congress and the public have the right to see all of the information in the actual Mueller report, Rudy would like all of the information to go to the House Intelligence Committee, and eventually to the public.
I would like him to get all of the information...everything... But I can't control that and I can't change the law. And the AG has a difficult job, and I didn't appreciate (Jerry Nadler's) suggestion the AG would be biased. I know Bill Barr for many many years. I think people in this town know him, He's a man of the highest integrity. Also everything he's doing is also being done by Rod Rosenstein. That (summary) was put out by Barr and Rosenstein. 
Brennan wondered if the president was waiving all executive privilege, noting that Trump has said he thinks the report should be made public. To answer, Rudy had to invoke the Ghost of Clintons past.
The - the president's cooperation with with investigation it was unprecedented. Bill Clinton fought every single subpoena. And - and it was a knock down drag out battle.
Brennan noted that Clinton did ultimately sit down and do an interview, and noted that Trump had not.
That's why the president didn't have to because they couldn't win in court. They had every piece of information. They couldn't suggest a question they didn't have the answer to because we supplied them with the answers to everything and the president did answer questions in writing.
Brennan asked if any information would be withheld. Giuliani seemed unsure.
I don't know, Margaret. I don't know. The AG has said he's going to put out the maximum amount of information possible. The only thing that will stop him will be legal barriers. I hop there are a few because I don't like what Jerry Nadler just did. Innuendo and there must be more -- look. Jerry Nadler prejudged this case a year ago. He was - he was talking about impeachment. He was overheard on Amtrak talking about impeachment well before the report came out. So when he talks about the AG being biased, my goodness - and on his committee he's got some of the most rabid people that hate Trump. This is - we're not going before a court here, We're going before a political body -- that is highly partisan and has made up its mind. 
There was more - much more.

On the president's written answers, could he make those public?
Once it's all over maybe. Let's see what the attorney general does first. Why don't we wait until the attorney general files the report and then if we want to complain about it, we can complain about it.  
Giuliani said that Nadler's argument that his Committee should see the full, unredacted report, is a "phony argument."
Jerry Nadler can't change the law. The law is the law. The attorney has to apply the law. Jerry Nadler is a biased, completely predetermined - does - does he want us to believe that he'd going to give us a fair hearing?  He announced - he announced - some of his members have announced a year ago that he should be impeached. 
Brennan pressed him on DOJ witnesses appearing before Nadler's committee, and whether they should be heard out if they thought the president committed obstruction.
Can we listen to the report first? The four leakers or the leakers who leaked it to the New York Times that there are problems in the report... Give me an example - Give me an example of something in the report that suggests that the president obstructed justice.  No examples... These people that hate him - that were willing to commit close to a criminal act to say there are bad things in the report, if they have some dynamite they're not going to give it to the (reporter)?
On pardons, Giuliani said the president is "not considering pardons at this time," and that "we discussed it at the very beginning and decided the whole question of pardons would be put off.

And then the conversation turned to Michael Cohen. Brennan noted that Rep. Nadler mentioned an offer by Cohen's attorney to provide some information, which Giuliani thought was "pretty hilarious."  Giuliani insists that Cohen is a liar, and that
If - if Jerry Nadler wants to convince me he's interested in the truth then he should be recommending a prosecution of Cohen for his last appearance when he lied...
After Brennan reminded him that Cohen is in fact going to jail for lying, Rudy continued
-- he's going to jail but after he got convicted of that and after he promised to cooperate and tell the truth he went before Congress and he made a fool out of the committee. He was asked "did you ever - did you ever ask for a job? He said" no I never asked for a job." Yes, he asked for a job. He asked me to get him a job. He asked 100 other people to get him a job and there is a tape, contemporaneous tape, with Chris Cuomo in which he says I want to be Chief of Staff and Cuomo says "good luck Mike. I hope you get it." Direct absolute perjury trying to make himself look like he's a not a disgruntled office seeker. 
Brennan tried to pin Giuliani down on whether he thinks Cohen has any damaging into on his recordings. 
 RG: No I have, I have no, I have no confidence that these people care about the truth, Chairman Cummings told him
MB: But as to what Cohen has --
RG: Please. Chairman Cummings told Cohen when he started this testimony very dramatically, "if you lie-" I don't know if (he) said I'll hang you to a cross or I'll throw the book at you your or - I haven't seen him throw anything at him. He lied about a job he lied about a pardon he lied about foreign representation he lied about three other things...
MB: I'm still not getting an answer on that question of whether you think there's damaging information that Cohen has. We have to leave the interview here.
 RG: Cohen has already spilled his guts -
MB: So you don't think he has anything?
RG: He has - 
MB: Alright. 
 RG:  - nothing at all incriminating on - Here's the disappointing thing for Jerry Nadler - 
MB: Mr. Mayor, we have to leave it at that.
 RG: And all the  - all the Democrats, the president did nothing wrong.
MB: Mr. Mayor -- 
RG:  They're chasing him, harassing him. This is a total political endeavor now. If we put out that whole report or almost all of it and it clears the president, they should not be continuing this investigation. It's a political witch hunt. 
 MB: Alright. Mr. Mayor, thank you very much.
So there you have it - leakers and liars and witch hunts, oh my. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

See you around campus. 

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