Sunday School 12/26/21

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You goddamn old senile (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You're as old and ugly as Biden. You ought to get the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) off the planet, you (EXPLETIVE DELETED) foul (EXPLETIVE DELETED). They ought to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) try you for treason. (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you and every one of your scumbag (EXPLETIVE DELETED) friends. I hope your family dies in front of you. I pray to God, if you got any children, they die in your face. 

In this week's Sunday School, we learned that the diatribe above was left in a message for Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-MI). Dingell and her friend and colleague, Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI), stopped by CNN's State of the Union classroom via pre-taped interview.

Dana Bash hosted the two Michigan representatives, and asked about what she described as a feeling "like a hostile work environment" where things "are reaching a boiling point" on Capitol Hill.

Upton agreed, saying "It's pretty toxic. There's no question about it." He pointed to a recent situation when "one of our members had their words taken down," which only happens when someone refuses to apologize for whatever it was they said. (He could be referring to circumstances surrounding the House censure of Rep. Paul Gosar, not sure.)

Dingell said she's been getting, on average, several threats a week like the one that opened our post, dating back a couple years to when her husband, Rep. John Dingell, passed and she got put in "that Trump hate tunnel." She said the threats don't prevent her from doing her job - and she's not trying to normalize them. It's the opposite, in fact.

I want the American people to think about what's happening in our country, that this kind of hate, this fear is happening in communities across the country. You know, if you even look at that horrific shooting that killed children in our state...he was living with parents that had some of that. We need to really worry about our democracy, and find a way that you can disagree with people and do it in a civil and agreeable way. And it really does have me very worried.

Upton echoed her concerns, pointing out that there have been copycats after the Oxford shooting, so "we have had a number of schools across our state that have been closed all over because of some of the threats, one of them in my district by an 8-year-old."

They both agreed when Bash asked if they're "connecting the toxic environment on a national political level to what you're seeing on a local level."

So, are we screwed? Have we lost who we are? Is it hopeless? Nope. Dingell said she doesn't "want to be all negative here," pointing to positive experiences with constituents, and that

-- we're Fred and Debbie. We don't want to be anything but Fred and Debbie, including from you, Dana. And people talk to us, but there is a lot of fear and hatred and people scared about what's going to happen to themselves. And we need to listen to each other more. And we need to -- if you look at de Tocqueville, who came over in the early 1800s and talked about the strength of democracy, it was community. And we have got to remind ourselves, in community, that coming together really is the pillar of our democracy.

Upton noted that he worked for Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS), and how "it was a whole different climate back then."

And it was a reminder to all of us that, 'how do we get the trains to run on time?' 'How do we work together, be -- maybe disagree on issues, but not be disagreeable?' And that's -- he had the best wit, but he got things done. He had wonderful relationships with either Republicans or Democrats down at the White House or certainly with his colleagues in both the House and the Senate.

How different things are now, at least as far as we know? I say "as far as we know" because there aren't enough interviews like this one, colleagues from across the aisle talking about their shared experiences and shared outlooks, for us to think that this is the norm, and what we see in other classrooms is not the norm: A Dem followed by someone from the GOP (or vice versa), discounting both policy and personality as if there's only enmity, never amity.

Dingell noted that she and her colleagues - even Upton - could have "very strong disagreements" on policy and still be friends. Upton's response? "And I will always make her laugh at the end of it."

The final question from Bash? "What can people look to, beyond the vitriol, to see their government actually working? Is there some bright light -- or maybe dim light that you can show that exists?" Here's Dingell's take on that.

Well, I mean, I think it has to be a bright light... I have a lot of other friends on the other side of the aisle. And what we need to do is to, all of us, get back to just remembering how much we have in common, just respecting each other, treating each other with dignity. And I say to everybody, a little act of kindness towards anybody can make the difference in that person's day, week, or life.

And here's Upton's: 

As we look towards '22 coming, it's going to be a tough year. We see it in Michigan. We're the number one hot spot in terms of COVID. What can we do, working together, to try and help our hospitals, our heroes, our workers, families to make sure they don't get this? I just had a neighbor die of COVID... I mean, if we don't work together, we're not going to get this thing solved.

Bash thanked them "for this image, this discussion to show there is bipartisan discussion and relationships, even in this tumultuous time..."  

Hopefully elected officials - and yes, regular folks like you and me - found some of that 'discussion' thing and that 'relationship' thing under their Christmas trees. And before you yell at me, 'Christmas trees' here refers to the spirit of the multiple holidays people celebrate late in the year, and to the increased light that comes with the solstice, and to the sense of humanity we demonstrate in times of pain or tragedy. 

We just need to figure out how to demonstrate it before we inflict any more pain or tragedy on each other.

See you around campus.